[kadavul]

The government won't tag you without your knowledge, they will convince the majority that it is in their best interest. That his how they have done everything they have done. It is no different than the Patriot Act, for example. They have convinced us that it is for our own good and safety, and so we accept it. For example, the chip will be your ID, credit card, medical records, etc. How nice would it be to no longer carry a wallet? Protection against identity theft, prevention of illegal immigration, tracking if you are lost in the wilderness, etc, etc.. These are the ways they will sell it and a lot of Americans will get in line to get one.

Then they will strongarm the rest of us by telling us that we can't drive, fly on a plane, etc, unless we have the chip just like I mentioned earlier about the National ID card. At some point, you will have 4 choices - live off the grid, leave the country, get the chip, or fight (literally)...

I am very glad that I don't have kids, because these are very scary times. Surprised

[kadavul]

you already have a national ID card, jsprague

The only people who don't are the rednecks who have no job/life and probably have children who are also their brothers and sisters lol but the government is slowly eradicating them because they don't have their national ID card.

[kadavul]

This thread sounds a bit too conspiracy theory for me, however I see where the buzz is.

Staying out of the political realm, I will take my thoughts to security. RFID is not a good thing to use period. Those smart readers at the gas pump/convience store, they read your credit card's RFID tag. This is easily hacked by some one with an RFID scanner and some time. Your credit card never turns this signal off, so someone with a scanner could go through a mall and steal all of your information.

I know of a company that wanted to use RFID tags on equipement AND EMPLOYEES to see where the employees where spending their time and remove any element of fun they may be using on the clock. Privacy is a joke with those devices. Wide spread identity theft is the only thing I could see coming from any use of a national RFID system.
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[kadavul]

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you already have a national ID card, jsprague


Not the card that comes out in 2008 that will either have an RFID chip or biometric information on it. Smile Earlier you said:

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Your national ID card is called Social Security Card and i am sure you might even have a driver license (though thats not mandatory) but to do anything even get a job you need social security number so um i guess thats null and void for you


You are not required by law to have a SSN, of course without it you can't get Social Security, welfare, etc. There is a form available from the government whereby you can get rid of your SSN. There is still a lot of debate as to whether an employer can require you to have a SSN. I believe the results of court cases on this subject have gone both ways.

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This thread sounds a bit too conspiracy theory for me, however I see where the buzz is.


I have already seen a short video clip where this topic has been discussed in Congress. The FDA has approved implants for humans. VeriChip publicly announced their desire to chip immigrants on live television and have met with government officials about this. IBM has a patent on scanning your clothing, the items in a person's purse, etc and targeting advertising to you like was displayed in the movie iRobot. I wouldn't dismiss this as conspiracy theory so quickly. Smile

Yes, you are quite correct about the security concerns. I watched a TV show where a hacker brushed up against an employee in the parking lot of a company. He had an RFID scanner and within about 2 minutes was able to enter the building. I am sure this will be addressed at some point.

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Not the card that comes out in 2008 that will either have an RFID chip or biometric information on it.


Bah, they already have all your phone calls and can search you without a warrant, whats it matter now that they can track you down for that rape they'll be doing to us lol.

[kadavul]

I edited my above post while you were posting.

Well that is true, but the current methods of tracking people, don't track their movement in real time. Sure the next steps are more of the same privacy abuses that we already have, but I am not a big fan of the current ones either. And I guess everyone has different lines as to what they are willing to take and what hardships they are willing to endure in order to stand against something. Smile

For me, there will be no RFID chips in my body, and I may boycott the national ID as well. I have also been looking into getting rid of my SSN. Obviously, not everyone can easily do these things. I am self-employed so I have a little more flexibilty...

[kadavul]

i remember seeing a video (i forget the guys name) but it was about you needing to get fingerprinted in dallas i think just for a license renewal. So this guy goes in with 7 forms of ID including passport but denied to give his thumbprint, so they arrested him for *public disruption* when from the video he didn't curse, scream or cause a panic but the police gladly cursed and yelled trying to force him to give his thumbprint. 7 forms of ID and they couldn't renew his license ridiculous.

[kadavul]

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[kadavul]

Check out the meaning of the word....
You think that major companies need RFID to knoew everytihing about you?Confused?

Do you have a loyatly/store card?

Then they already know everything about what you have in your store cupboard.

I have worked with RFID and it's not just for tagging immigrants or create a big brother state.

Tagging items in a store can be used for sales demographics and help to reduce theft as well as aiding stock control. The units used have a transmission field in most cases of less than 1 foot so once you remove them from the shelf they no have the ability to transmit to the database or be read by the in-store equipment so they sure as hell can't do anything once you get them home.

I have read so much bullshit on this which includes crap like the tags reading your bank statements and personal information from your credti cards and sending the info to some unknown agency..

Wake up and smell the coffee people and stop listening to the assholes who want to shout about something just to make a name for themselves.

As for the immigration thing.............get up off your asses and use your votes to put someone intelligent in power....THAT WOULD MAKE A CHANGE

Just one example of an idiot in charge.........."the French don't have a word for entrepenuer in their language"

That was your current President......If you can't work out the stupidity I rest my case

[kadavul]

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Do you have a loyatly/store card?


Only for movie rental, but none others for that very reason...

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Then they already know everything about what you have in your store cupboard.


And you are OK with that?? You've just completely given up?

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I have worked with RFID and it's not just for tagging immigrants or create a big brother state.


So you are conceding that it is partially for a Big Brother state? Sure, we all know that there are legitimate uses for the technology, but until there are some rules in place I believe that it should be shelved for now. It is just waiting to be abused.

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Wake up and smell the coffee people and stop listening to the assholes who want to shout about something just to make a name for themselves.


That is the one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard. People that take action on things are not trying to make a name for themselves and certainly know that one of the inherent risks in taking a stand is to have obnoxious people like you railing on them. If you think I posted this to make a name for myself, then you are an absolute idiot. In fact, this may very well draw very negative attention towards me that I don't particularly want. I honestly have no idea how CompTIA will react (if at all), and it does frighten me a bit to put myself on the line like this. But I also feel like I need to stand up for what I believe in. You appear to either be close-minded, ignorant, or politically impotent - in any case, whether or not you agree with my original post, your post shows you have no heart.

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That was your current President......If you can't work out the stupidity I rest my case


What case? At what point did I start a debate about our president? It is pretty hard to elect a good president when you only get 2 choices (or at least most people are convinced that is the case). But what does that have to do with this post?

Privacy concerns are worldwide and you aren't immune from them there. Your Tesco stores are taking pictures of you when you buy certain products - are you fine with that? If you are, then you have truly given up and don't have a lot to offer the world....

I don't mind debate, but if you can't do it with some tact, then please don't respond.
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